Democratic Delegate Debate, more

By GottaLaff

Watching MSNBC:

Maddow: Clinton is in it to stay in it no matter what. It can't resolve itself.

Detroit Free Press' Todd Spangler, on CSPAN: The idea of both states losing half their voting power is a done deal. I was just told that they plan to fight on to receive the other half of those delegates. Watch the Obama supporters on the Rules Committee to want a 50-50 Michigan split, or maybe accept the 69-59, just to get this overwith.

Back to MSNBC:

Bonior: We're asking for an even split, 50-50 in Michigan. We were generous in Florida. ... We've gotta move on, unify, we only have 5 months until the election. We'll focus on McCain. Obama will be the nominee. The Committee will decide this, hopefully today, because they understand the time factor. ... The popular vote shouldn't count. Even the Michigan Dem. party feels that way.

Pat Buchanan: Harold Ickes spoke for Hillary. They'll say all delegates should be seated and treated equally, demanding what they did in Michigan. She'll win Puerto Rico and go on to say I am the candidate of the people, Obama is the candidate of the delegates. The superdelegates won't take this away from Obama. Hillary will say this, but then wait for Obama's offer. She'll make him reject her.

Chris: Why? To what effect? Press him to make her v.p.?

Nora: She already counted Fla and Michigan's popular vote. Today they would legitimize them and she'd further that argument. She's said she's more electable, does better with the base (white working class, not African Americans) and older voters, and women. So she doesn't need the popular vote argument to convince them that she'd be the best v.p. candidate. Obama has said that Abe Lincoln brought in rivals, that he's a pragmatist, wants the best government. He doesn't want to rule her out. Many Dems would support a dream ticket.

Howard Wolfson: The day itself is a victory. [See this post, Andrea Mitchell called it] We're making the case to superdelegates [see Nora's comments just above these, he's reiterating those... She's electable, etc.] I'm not sure the Committee will come up with a 50-50 split. I'm pretty comfortable with that.

Todd: But you'll abide by what they decide.

Wolfson: We'll have to see what they decide. In Florida, it's a huge victory for Clinton, and a 19 vote pick-up is more than the status quo, so it's a victory. In Michigan, uncommitted is uncommitted, not necessarily for Obama, so no popular vote credit for him. He took his name off the ballot. ... We're moving towards a resolution in Florida, but Michigan is harder. It's a good day for the party. ...

Mitchell: If there's no math way she could win, what does she do?

Wolfson: She's fighting for the nomination, but we're also fighting for unity. We can achieve both. Obama's committed to those things. [He then threw in a Pastor dig]